A co-worker has shown me a drawing of a weird Focke Wulf 190 plane
from World War II that has falcon wings. It is called a V19?

What exactly is a V19? I never heard of that before. I know the Jerrys
had V-1 and V-2 rockets, but c'mon a V19?

I thought you fellas would know what the hell this is all about.

My co-worker told me to look it up on the internet and damned if I
can't find squat on it.

Did such a plane exist and why?

Many thanks,

James Dandy

James Dandy wrote:

> A co-worker has shown me a drawing of a weird Focke Wulf 190 plane
> from World War II that has falcon wings. It is called a V19?
>
> What exactly is a V19? I never heard of that before. I know the Jerrys
> had V-1 and V-2 rockets, but c'mon a V19?


This "V19" (V = "Versuch" = experiment) has nothing to do with the V-1
and V-2 (V = "Vergeltungswaffe" = vengeance weapon).

The "Fw-190 V19" was simply the 19th prototype/test aircraft of the
Fw-190 series. It was a testbed for a new (slightly swept) wing
design. A scale model is e.g. shown at

http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwv19ishiduka.htm.


Andreas

>Andreas Parsch > wrote:
>>James Dandy wrote:

>>A co-worker has shown me a drawing of a weird Focke Wulf 190 plane
>>from World War II that has falcon wings. It is called a V19?

>>What exactly is a V19? I never heard of that before. I know the Jerrys
>>had V-1 and V-2 rockets, but c'mon a V19?

>This "V19" (V = "Versuch" = experiment) has nothing to do with the V-1
>and V-2 (V = "Vergeltungswaffe" = vengeance weapon).

>The "Fw-190 V19" was simply the 19th prototype/test aircraft of the
>Fw-190 series. It was a testbed for a new (slightly swept) wing
>design. A scale model is e.g. shown at

>http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwv19ishiduka.htm.

>Andreas

I've never seen that version of the "Butcher Bird" before, but it gets
my vote as thee most beautiful prop-driven airplane EVER (the P-51D
used to have this honor 'till I saw this picture of the Fw-190 V19).

>
>I've never seen that version of the "Butcher Bird" before, but it gets
>my vote as thee most beautiful prop-driven airplane EVER (the P-51D
>used to have this honor 'till I saw this picture of the Fw-190 V19).
>

Ever see the XF-12 Rainbow...? Think B-29 after an extreme makeover, turning a
"One-eyed Bitch" into a streamlined vixen.

As for this one-off Wurger, I have to wonder why it has this sweep at all? Why
put it on a Radial-engined A-model? By this point in the war, the Jumo-engined
FWs were coming online and would be seen as the "fighters", while production of
the radials was shifted entirely to CAS/ Schlacht duties. So, why would you
sweep the wing on a CAS aircraft with a big fat radial, but not try the same
experiment on the fighter version with far better streamlining? Its just odd.

Other thing that makes this smell less than minty is the sweep itself - its not
37 degrees. The Techn. AMT folks as well as most of the other people working
on wing sweep in Germany had already settled on that as their "magic number",
and this isn't swept to that degree.

I think this is an interesting design, but I really don't know where it would
fit in the Luftwaffe. Painting it in mid-1945 colors, when JG 301 would have
been flying exclusively Doras and 152s, seems ingenuine. 300, 301, and 302
were some of the last functional units getting new build aircraft (D-9s, Ta
152s) in the spring of 45. I can't imagine them being handed a radial 190 that
couldn't possibly compete with the latest P-47s and 51s up in the rarified air
over the crumbling Reich.

Pretty, yes - but it doesn't make a lot of operational sense.

v/r
Gordon
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:19:08 GMT, Mike Marron > wrote:

>>Andreas Parsch > wrote:
>>>James Dandy wrote:
>
>>>A co-worker has shown me a drawing of a weird Focke Wulf 190 plane
>>>from World War II that has falcon wings. It is called a V19?
>
>>>What exactly is a V19? I never heard of that before. I know the Jerrys
>>>had V-1 and V-2 rockets, but c'mon a V19?
>
>>This "V19" (V = "Versuch" = experiment) has nothing to do with the V-1
>>and V-2 (V = "Vergeltungswaffe" = vengeance weapon).
>
>>The "Fw-190 V19" was simply the 19th prototype/test aircraft of the
>>Fw-190 series. It was a testbed for a new (slightly swept) wing
>>design. A scale model is e.g. shown at
>
>>http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwv19ishiduka.htm.
>
>>Andreas
>
>I've never seen that version of the "Butcher Bird" before, but it gets
>my vote as thee most beautiful prop-driven airplane EVER (the P-51D
>used to have this honor 'till I saw this picture of the Fw-190 V19).
>
Hmmm... after reading these posts, I did a search for that prototype and finally
came across this page:

http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/luft46.asp

Lots of weird stuff there... take a look at the "Fw 190 V19 Special" and the
"Me 262 W1". But the weirdest (IMO) is that "Fw 190 Jet"... Where the hell is
the exhaust supposed to be?
I think these guys are taking the Luft '46 thing too far...

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>machf > wrote:
>>Mike Marron > wrote:
>>>Andreas Parsch > wrote:
>>>>James Dandy wrote:

>>>>A co-worker has shown me a drawing of a weird Focke Wulf 190 plane
>>>>from World War II that has falcon wings. It is called a V19?

>>>>What exactly is a V19? I never heard of that before. I know the Jerrys
>>>>had V-1 and V-2 rockets, but c'mon a V19?

>>>This "V19" (V = "Versuch" = experiment) has nothing to do with the V-1
>>>and V-2 (V = "Vergeltungswaffe" = vengeance weapon).

>>>The "Fw-190 V19" was simply the 19th prototype/test aircraft of the
>>>Fw-190 series. It was a testbed for a new (slightly swept) wing
>>>design. A scale model is e.g. shown at

>>>http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwv19ishiduka.htm.

>>>Andreas

>>I've never seen that version of the "Butcher Bird" before, but it gets
>>my vote as thee most beautiful prop-driven airplane EVER (the P-51D
>>used to have this honor 'till I saw this picture of the Fw-190 V19).

>Hmmm... after reading these posts, I did a search for that prototype and finally
>came across this page:

>http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/luft46.asp

>Lots of weird stuff there... take a look at the "Fw 190 V19 Special" and the
>"Me 262 W1". But the weirdest (IMO) is that "Fw 190 Jet"... Where the hell is
>the exhaust supposed to be?

Good question! At first I thought it was a high-bypass turbofan, but
like you said it doesn't appear to have an exhaust therefore I can
only surmise it's a ducted fan?

>I think these guys are taking the Luft '46 thing too far...

Agreed, but ya' just gotta' love that falcon-winged Focke Wulf.

Mike Marron
email: pegasus912 at tampabay dot rr dot com

Mike Marron wrote:
>>http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/luft46.asp
>
>>Lots of weird stuff there... take a look at the "Fw 190 V19 Special" and
>>the "Me 262 W1". But the weirdest (IMO) is that "Fw 190 Jet"... Where the
>>hell is the exhaust supposed to be?
>
> Good question! At first I thought it was a high-bypass turbofan, but
> like you said it doesn't appear to have an exhaust therefore I can
> only surmise it's a ducted fan?

The "Fw 190 Jet" was a short-lived Focke-Wulf project in 1942. The radial
turbojet engine was in the nose and used an annular exhaust running around
the fuselage circumference in front of the wing leading edge.

The project was abandoned before a prototype was built, obviously because
purpose-designed jet fighters promised far better performance.

>
>>I think these guys are taking the Luft '46 thing too far...

Most of the designs on that web page were real German wartime projects (not
necessarily actually built, of course).

Andreas

In article >,
machf > wrote:

> http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/luft46.asp
>
> Lots of weird stuff there... take a look at the "Fw 190 V19 Special" and the
> "Me 262 W1". But the weirdest (IMO) is that "Fw 190 Jet"... Where the hell is
> the exhaust supposed to be?
> I think these guys are taking the Luft '46 thing too far...

Annular exhaust.

<http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/verReview.asp?id_review=687659093>

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Andreas Parsch > wrote in message >...
> Mike Marron wrote:
> >>http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/luft46.asp
>
> >>Lots of weird stuff there... take a look at the "Fw 190 V19 Special" and
> >>the "Me 262 W1". But the weirdest (IMO) is that "Fw 190 Jet"... Where the
> >>hell is the exhaust supposed to be?
> >
> > Good question! At first I thought it was a high-bypass turbofan, but
> > like you said it doesn't appear to have an exhaust therefore I can
> > only surmise it's a ducted fan?
>
> The "Fw 190 Jet" was a short-lived Focke-Wulf project in 1942. The radial
> turbojet engine was in the nose and used an annular exhaust running around
> the fuselage circumference in front of the wing leading edge.
>
> The project was abandoned before a prototype was built, obviously because
> purpose-designed jet fighters promised far better performance.
>
> >
> >>I think these guys are taking the Luft '46 thing too far...
>
> Most of the designs on that web page were real German wartime projects (not
> necessarily actually built, of course).
>
> Andreas

No, the Fw-190TL was built in 1942 with a "Fw centrifugal engine of
their own design":

http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwturbo.jpg

BTW, the Fw-190V-19 was used to test various wings and the Me-262W-1
with the Lorin ramjets was just a project along with the Me-262
Misteln.
All the German models from Unicraft are all aircraft either built,
prototypes, or in the design stage.

Rob

p.s. Next thing you know someone's going to start up again about the
He-219TL!

robert arndt wrote:
>
> No, the Fw-190TL was built in 1942 with a "Fw centrifugal engine of
> their own design":
>
> http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwturbo.jpg

Something doesn't look quite right about this photo - my first though was
"This looks like a fake photo with a scale model!" (mainly because of the
non-flattened tyres). And in fact, here's the model:

http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwturbo1.jpg

So I'll trust my other sources which say the 190TL was _not_ built.

Andreas

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> machf > wrote:
>
> > http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/luft46.asp
> >
> > Lots of weird stuff there... take a look at the "Fw 190 V19 Special" and the
> > "Me 262 W1". But the weirdest (IMO) is that "Fw 190 Jet"... Where the hell is
> > the exhaust supposed to be?
> > I think these guys are taking the Luft '46 thing too far...
>
> Annular exhaust.
>
> <http://www.antaresmodels.com:90/verReview.asp?id_review=687659093>

Thanks to everyone who has tried to explain things here. I got a lot
of e-mails too which makes me feel better.

However, my irritating co-worker just laughed and made fun of me for
going to a group online for help. The guy thinks he knows everything
about aircraft since he builds huge radio models that fly!

The other day the guy told Billy that the word "dude" actually is a
combination of "duds" plus "attitude". Where does he come up with this
****?

So anyhow I asked him about some of the other German planes spoken of
here and the guy tells everyone at work that I'm a dummy.

What can I say that will make him look bad? He knows about the German
jets and supposedly everything about World War II. Yet he wasn't even
in the war.

I'd like to shove my foot up his ass but I confess that I need to
brush up on aviation before making any moves.

Billy led me to this group. Please help.

James Dandy

>
>Something doesn't look quite right about this photo - my first though was
>"This looks like a fake photo with a scale model!" (mainly because of the
>non-flattened tyres). And in fact, here's the model:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwturbo1.jpg

A nightfighter, with rockets. Riiiiiiight. Lets see, release distance, 800 m.
or so; the pilot would in and out of the cockpit trying to get the distance
right, just so he could blind himself by have two rockets ignite and power
away, with their exhausts pointed at his face.

There is a reason that, British wartime rumors not withstanding, LW
nightfighters shake their heads and roll their eyes when someone says to them,
"But we know they shot rockets at us at night! We saw the Me. 110 do it!"
Riiiight. :)

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

(James Dandy) wrote in message > Thanks to everyone who > What can I say that will make him look bad? He knows about the German
> jets and supposedly everything about World War II. Yet he wasn't even
> in the war.
>
> I'd like to shove my foot up his ass but I confess that I need to
> brush up on aviation before making any moves.
>
> Billy led me to this group. Please help.
>
> James Dandy

SNipped a lot. Jim, ask your queastions. We'll do our best to help
you.
As for a swept-wing Fw, why not? Think airborne test bed. After all,
the US had a swept wing P63 for the same reason. (P63 because of
ability to match aero center to CG was easiest in that design.)
Walt BJ

On 11 Jan 2004 06:01:52 -0800, (James Dandy) wrote:

>What can I say that will make him look bad? He knows about the German
>jets and supposedly everything about World War II. Yet he wasn't even
>in the war.
>
>I'd like to shove my foot up his ass but I confess that I need to
>brush up on aviation before making any moves.
>
>Billy led me to this group. Please help.
>
>James Dandy

Hmmm... maybe you could fool him with one of those ever-popular April Fools'
aircraft fakes, and see him start bragging about something which actually never
existed...

How about the P-80 captured by the Germans in Italy? You know, the US sent a few
over there to be tested in combat... The idea is that during a German
counteroffensive one of the P-80s didn't have enough time to take off from the
airfield and was captured by the Germans and sent to Erprobungsstelle Rechlin.
Someone has nice B&W photos of a scale model in German markings which may help
you make it sound convincing... just do a Google search for "captured P-80".

Of course, that's just an idea, there are many more possibilities...

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machf wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2004 06:01:52 -0800, (James Dandy) wrote:
>
>
>>What can I say that will make him look bad? He knows about the German
>>jets and supposedly everything about World War II. Yet he wasn't even
>>in the war.
>>
>>I'd like to shove my foot up his ass but I confess that I need to
>>brush up on aviation before making any moves.
>>
>>Billy led me to this group. Please help.
>>
>>James Dandy
>
>
> Hmmm... maybe you could fool him with one of those ever-popular April Fools'
> aircraft fakes, and see him start bragging about something which actually never
> existed...
>
> How about the P-80 captured by the Germans in Italy? You know, the US sent a few
> over there to be tested in combat... The idea is that during a German
> counteroffensive one of the P-80s didn't have enough time to take off from the
> airfield and was captured by the Germans and sent to Erprobungsstelle Rechlin.
> Someone has nice B&W photos of a scale model in German markings which may help
> you make it sound convincing... just do a Google search for "captured P-80".
>
> Of course, that's just an idea, there are many more possibilities...

Or you could send him this pic I took in the Scottish Borders

;)

http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/ital.htm

John